Before the smoke is clear, fingers are already pointing at flash orders. See these two NYT pieces
here and
here. Our reader
Madan has convinced me previously that flash orders can indeed be used to front-run other traders, but until more evidence comes in, I am yet to be convinced that they are the main culprit. Couldn't old-fashioned automated momentum programs accomplished the same thing after an initial erroneous transaction price and/or quote was reported? Perhaps you know of discussions elsewhere on the blogosphere that bring more light to the issue?
http://paul.kedrosky.com/archives/2010/05/duncan_niederau.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+InfectiousGreed+(Paul+Kedrosky's+Infectious+Greed)
ReplyDeleteWhat a wild day that was!
ReplyDeleteMy hunch is that HFT was a signficant part of the rapid price movement. As HFT now makes up a large portion of volume/liquidity, I suspect that they pulled the liquidity as part of risk control. Thus, the mkt was no bid for a short period of time.
I actually had one of my best days on Thursday as it was great for moving pairs around. Twice though, I was so concerned about the wild prints that I turned the program off as it was firing orders left and right.
Steve,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you.
This may actually be a good experiment to showcase what happened when there are no HF traders around to offer liquidity. (Note to Paul Krugman: be careful what you wish for!)
One thing I still don't get: why would people submit SELL @ MARKET orders when clearly chaos ruled? What sane person would sell ACN at $0.01?
Ernie
Actually, the way stop losses work could also cause that? Once the price goes below the stop point, a market order is submitted. I'm sure there were still some people who got caught via market orders but my point is it could also have been stop loss orders.
ReplyDeleteWhatever the root cause of this sharp drop, HFT has definitely changed the landscape and dynamics of the market.
ReplyDeleteSystematic trading systems need to adapt to these changes.
Kill or be killed, unfortunately, this is the law of evolution at play!
JB,
ReplyDeleteYou have a good point -- it is probably due to stop orders, which is why I haven't used stops for years!
Ernie
Jez, my way to handle it is to just not play in the intra-day timeframe...
ReplyDeleteI'm amazed how many people are calling for regulation to prevent this happening again. That's all wrong. To me the best solution is free market. For example, now that it's happened once I'm sure there are plenty of punters (automated or not) waiting to take advantage of further spikes. I'll take as much Accenture for a penny as you can give me thanks :)
ReplyDeleteWinsurfing_Stew
Ernie any thoughts on using "stop loss %" as a free parameter in a pairs trading optimization?
ReplyDeleteDanR,
ReplyDeleteI am against the use of stoploss in any mean-reversion strategy. Pairs trading is typically mean reverting. Please see p. 143 of my book for explanation ("What is Your Exit Strategy").
Ernie